Chat with Mirjana

MirjanaThe following is an edited transcript of a talk Mirjana gave to Pilgrims visiting her home in Medjugorje on October 3, 1998. In the interest of keeping the flavor and the intent intact, there has been no editing of the vocabulary or syntax used as Mirjana's comments were translated into English as she spoke.

Translator: Good morning. It's a good sign that you can hear me.. can you? Mirjana says. It's a miracle! So lets try.

As you have prayed already, we are going to start with Mirjana's thoughts on the testimony.

Mirjana: I'm sure that all of you know that the apparitions here in Medjugorje started on June 24, 1981 and I had every day apparitions until Christmas Day 1982. It was Christmas when I received the 10th secret and Blessed Mother told me she was not going to appear to me every day.

She said it would be annually on 18 of March and she said also that these apparitions will last as long as I live. But Our Lady mentioned also that there would be extraordinary apparitions happening as well and these apparitions started on August 2, 1987. I still have the apparitions on the second of each month, but I don't know how long they will last. The apparitions on the 2nd of each month are the prayers for unbelievers.

Our Lady says never uses the term unbelievers. She says they are those who haven't yet learned and experienced the love of God. She's asking for our help. When I say 'our' help, I don't think about six Visionaries only. I think about everyone who feels about the Blessed Mother as our mother. Because Our Lady says that we can change them, but only through our prayer and our example. Our Lady asks from all of us to place in our every day prayers in the first place prayers for unbelievers. Our Lady says that all bad, evil things like drugs, abortions divorces, the war.. all of them come from unbelievers and this is why she says if you pray for them you pray for yourself, you pray for your own future.

Besides of our prayer, Our Lady needs the examples as well. But she doesn't want from us just to preach to the others. She wants us to preach with our own lives so that the unbelievers can see God and His love in us. I would ask all of you to understand it very seriously. If you would be able to just once see the tears that Our Lady has because of unbelievers, I know you would start to pray with the heart immediately. Our Lady says this is the time of great decisions and every one who is a child of God should have a great responsibility.

For the Blessed Mother, unbelievers are those who don't accept the church as own home and Heavenly Father as own father. When she asks from us to pray for the unbelievers, she teaches us also how which is the way she wants us to do it. It is on the first place to have the love for the unbelievers. To feel the love as for our own brothers and sisters who were not as fortunate as we were to experience the love of God. If we feel like that, then we can start praying for them. Every one of us Visionaries have a special mission with the apparitions. My mission is to the prayer for unbelievers. Vicka and Jakov pray for the sick people. Ivan pray for the young people and for the priests. Marija prays for the souls in purgatory and the nuns. And Ivanka prays for the families.

The most important message of Our Lady is the Holy Mass, but not only on Sundays. She says once to us Visionaries 'If you would be able to choose between seeing me and going to the Holy Mass, choose the Holy Mass. Because during the Holy Mass my Son is with you.' For the Blessed Mother, Jesus is always the first place. She has never said 'Pray and it will be given by me', she says 'Pray so that I can pray to my Son for you'. Our Lady asks from us to bring the Rosary back into family. There is nothing stronger that can unite the family as the family prayer. Our Lady asks from us to fast on Wednesday and Friday on bread and water. She requests also monthly confession. She said there is no man on earth who doesn't need a monthly confession. Of course, she has never mentioned woman. . She wants also from us to bring the Bible into family. She has never said how long we should read from the Holy Scripture every day but she said it is important to bring the word of God into family.

I'm sure you have all heard that Jakov has received the 10th secret. There are only now 3 of us that have 10 secrets. And the other 3 still have 9 secrets. They need probably more time to understand what is going on , so I tried really from our desk to tell you what is the most important, but now whatever I didn't mention you can ask me. I'm here to try and give the answers to your questions.

Q. A lot of the apparitions talk about consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Why do they say Hearts and not just consecrate?

A. Blessed Mother never said directly, but if we see the messages that are given to us, I would say that it is true that we should consecrate ourselves to the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady and the Sacred Heart of Jesus. And once she said 'My heart will win, but I need your support'.

Translator: Now Mirjana is going to say everything she's allowed to say about the secrets and please do not have any more questions about this matter.

"We women know how to keep the secrets Mirjana's husband Marcos says, 'You know in a good marriage there shouldn't be secret between man and woman and we have 10 secrets between us.'"

Mirjana: I was supposed to choose the priest to whom I will reveal my secrets. I have chosen Father Petar Ljubicic. I'm supposed to tell him what will happen and where it will take place. We are going to spend seven days in prayer in fasting. Three days before, he will announce to everybody. He does not have a choice either to say or not to say. He has to say.

Our Lady has said many times: 'Don't talk about secrets, but pray whoever feels I am his own mother and whoever feels Heavenly Father is own father should be afraid. Those who don't have any faith, they should be afraid.' But, now don't be like Father Peter who says to Mirjana, 'You should have a confession and tell me at least one secret.'

It is important to meet on the second of each month.. doesn't matter which time.. to pray for this special intention of Our Lady. There were some wrong comments on the message regarding this. Somebody said that Americans and all others had to wake up in the morning like just to catch our time here and to pry for the intentions of Our Lady for the unbelievers. And it is not correct.

Q. What does she (Mirjana) do with her own children?

A. Every day we pray with our children, Joyful Mysteries of the Rosary. My older daughter is 7 years old and she's leading the rosary. And my youngest daughter, she's 4 and she's not that good . And during the prayer, we always have to have a little stick on our table just to show her what is following if she doesn't pray . Our Lady says that the parents should have a great responsibility and it is up to us how we will teach and how we will give them the faith when they are little ones. If I was to give a choice to my daughter Veronica, 'Would you like to pray or to play?', she will choose to play. But, I'm the one to tell her it is the time for prayer and give her the rosary in her hand.

The children are never so small as to not understand what the parents do. I have to tell you an example from my family. When my oldest daughter was about 2 years old, I had never mentioned a word about the apparitions to her. I thought she was too small to be able to understand. But, one day when she was playing with her girl friend in the room, I overheard them. Her friend was telling her, 'You know, my mom has a very good car.' My daughter was quiet for awhile and said 'What about that? My Mom can talk to the Blessed Mother every day'.

So I have never mentioned a word about it to Marija and she was able to understand.

It is important to have example of own parents.

The message of Our Lady was the message of fasting as well. I know I'm not permitting the little ones fast on bread and water, but on this certain day, we can show the little children that the day should be dedicated to God. For example, I say to my daughter, 'Don't take the sandwich in the school that has the meat or ham in it, but take the one with the cheese.' Just to know from the childhood on how to give up some things for God.

Q. Do you see the Sacred Heart or anyone else besides the Blessed Mother?

A. Only Blessed Mother. I will try to describe. She's a little bit taller than I am. She's always dressed in the gray color dress and the white vail. For some special feast, as Christmas and Easter, her dress is in the golden color. She has long dark hair and it is possible to see on the right side above the eye and in the back that it is dark and long. And she is the most beautiful. It is almost impossible to describe her inner beauty.. it is kind of mother's love. We have asked her a question typical of a child when we were children. We have asked her 'How is it possible that you are so beautiful?' She has smiled and she said.. 'It is because I love' and she said 'If you desire to be beautiful, then love'. And that time, Jakov was only 10 years old. And after the apparition, he usually gave a comment and it was: 'I don't think that Blessed Mother is right.' And then we told him, 'How can you say something like that? How can you say Blessed Mother is not telling the truth?' And he said.. 'Look at us Visionaries. Some of us can love our whole lives long and well never become beautiful!' . So, my personal opinion is that he needed the apparitions for 17 years to understand.

Q. (This question was inaudible)

A. Is there any one of us who can say tomorrow I will live? Our Lady says to us to be ready every moment to meet God.. but not worry about what will happen in a couple of years? Who knows if we will live in the year 2000? (comment from the pilgrims.. Our Lady knows) Our Lady knows.. yes, she knows, but we do not. We do not know when our moment comes.

Q. Have you asked Our Lady about the apparitions happening in other places in the world?

A. She didn't give any comment but she said 'Pray for them'. But, the real apparitions will be proved by the fruit of the apparition. But, what I could say with all my heart is that I don't believe in the apparition where Our Lady brings the fear to the people. The apparition where the talk about some time of darkness in the future. Because Our Lady is our mother. She is never going to bring any fear to her own children. She wants to change us with her love and with her smile. A good faith is not coming out of fear. Good faith comes out of our good decision and our good will. God gave us our own mind to make decisions to believe or not to believe.

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